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How the Ancient Church Read the Bible | Fr. Stephen De Young

• Hermeneutic principle: read a text the way its author read texts — To interpret any text well, interpret it the way the author of that text interpreted the texts he was using. St. Paul’s handling of the OT is the model for reading Paul. 0:03:33

  You want to try to interpret a given text the way the author of that text interpreted texts. · hermeneutics, exegesis, Paul, method

• The single-correct-meaning assumption is a modern error — Conservative readers wrongly assume each passage has one correct meaning arrived at by a method; Orthodox converts invert this into ‘the one true meaning is mystically out there,’ which collapses when the Fathers disagree. 0:05:33 · hermeneutics, modernity, converts, church fathers
• Scripture as a literary monument; cost of ancient texts — Texts were enormously expensive (a copy of Romans ~$5,000-equiv; a Torah like a Manhattan mansion). A preserved text became a literary monument, which is why ‘it is written’ carries such weight. 0:07:33

  Anything that was put into text and preserved through that long laborious process was therefore a literary monument. That’s what gives the phrase ‘it is written’ so much weight. · manuscripts, literacy, it is written, antiquity

• Allegory is application, not interpretation — What the Fathers do with allegory is isolate a pattern/dynamic in the text and bring it to bear on the present. FDY argues for ‘allegorical application’ rather than ‘allegorical interpretation.’ 0:10:10 · allegory, typology, application, hermeneutics
• Antioch vs. Alexandria is overplayed — The literal-Antioch / allegorical-Alexandria schema is a rough teaching device. Chrysostom in Antioch is not doing literal expository preaching; he is full of typology. Genre (commentary vs. preaching) matters more. 0:10:10 · Antioch, Alexandria, Chrysostom, Origen, genre
• ‘Right vs. wrong’ is the wrong way to judge patristic readings — Competing Father interpretations (three steps to Ezekiel’s altar; 1 John 2:2 ‘refutes the Donatists’) are applications of the text’s principle, not claims about the single authorial meaning. 0:13:21 · church fathers, 1 John 2:2, Donatists, Gregory, application
• Teaching authority is accountability, not power — Certain men are ordained and charged to interpret and apply Scripture; they have the authority and the accountability to Christ for it (James 3; submit to your elders). It is never reducible to a power relationship. 0:18:37

  It’s never reducible to a power relationship. It’s an accountability relationship. · authority, ordination, accountability, ecclesiology

• Scripture’s native context is the liturgical assembly — The Sitz im Leben of these texts was the gathered community. Paul’s letters were carried by a scribe/messenger, read publicly, and defended in person. The text was never meant to be detached from an authority who interprets and applies it. 0:21:15 · liturgy, assembly, Paul, oral tradition
• Lectionaries: 42% of NT manuscripts, ignored by the critical text — About 42% of NT manuscripts are lectionaries, but Westcott-Hort used only 2 of ~2,500. The Patriarchal Greek text (1904/1912) used 250. Lectionaries solve cruxes: Luke’s bloody sweat in Matthew, the pericope adulterae’s wandering, the long ending of Mark. 0:23:52 · lectionary, textual criticism, Westcott-Hort, pericope adulterae, Mark, manuscripts
• Chain of custody: messengers as interpreters, not postal service — Colossians 4 shows letters delivered by trusted messengers who read, explain, take questions, and protect the text’s intent; this is the embryonic bishop-presbyter dynamic with delegated apostolic authority. 0:30:36 · Colossians, bishop, presbyter, chain of custody, apostolic
• Apostolic succession hands down a way of reading, via binding and loosing — Bishops guard the texts AND their right application. This is the Jewish category of binding and loosing — the office from Moses to Joshua by laying on of hands, continuing to the Pharisees, ruling on questions the text doesn’t spell out. 0:35:38 · apostolic succession, binding and loosing, Pharisees, Moses, ordination
• Branch theory and ‘I hold the texts so I have succession’ fail — An Arian, non-Chalcedonian, or paedobaptist could make the identical ‘I affirm the apostles’ texts’ claim (Wes Huff). Succession needs a traceable chain of custody of interpretation, not mere assertion. 0:38:07

  An Arian could have said everything Wes Huff said in that video. He holds to the New Testament texts. He interprets them very differently. · branch theory, apostolic succession, Wes Huff, Arian, Baptist

• Teaching the apostolic faith AND the laying-on-of-hands go together — ‘Por que no los dos?’ The linear succession of laying-on-of-hands is the guarantee that one is actually teaching what the apostles taught; you need not pick one. 0:41:00 · apostolic succession, ordination, Protestantism
• Irenaeus and Tertullian: the churches with living memory of the apostles — Irenaeus: churches with living apostolic memory all use the same four Gospels; gnostics don’t. Succession is not just name-lists but the traceable history of what was taught. Tertullian: let heretics produce their episcopal records back to an apostle (the ‘apostolic seed’). 0:42:43 · Irenaeus, Tertullian, four gospels, gnostics, apostolic seed
• Concrete continuity: Antiochian bishops’ written confessions in Damascus — Each new Antiochian bishop composes his own confession of faith, reads it at consecration, and writes it in a book kept in Damascus going back generations — a concrete, inspectable continuity of belief. 0:47:48 · Antioch, confession of faith, bishops, continuity, Damascus
• The Baptist dilemma: 1,000 years of no valid baptism — A Baptist must say that from ~500-1500 no one was validly baptized (all infant or mass/royal). Either become a restorationist (true faith vanished) or claim these issues aren’t important — but then why schism over baptism? Luther, Calvin, Bullinger would side against them. 0:49:36

  As a Baptist, you have to say that for a thousand years no one was validly baptized on Earth. · Baptist, baptism, restorationism, schism, Reformation

• The apostolic tradition IS a way of reading the Old Testament — Irenaeus’s Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching contains no NT quotes — it is all OT. The apostolic tradition is a way of reading the Hebrew Scriptures as speaking of Christ. The Incarnation changed how Scripture is read and who may read it (Paul’s Hagar/Sarah in Gal 4 isolates a dynamic). 0:52:13 · Irenaeus, apostolic tradition, Old Testament, Galatians 4, typology, Incarnation
• Sufficiency is not sola; you can prove every dogma from the Torah — 2 Tim 3:16-17 teaches sufficiency, not ‘nothing else’ (‘a meal can be sufficient without being the only food’). Read correctly, the Torah proves every Christian dogma: 2nd Nicaea from Gen 9 (image/prototype), anathema from the Ark/curtain death rules, the Trinity from Exodus (face of God you can/can’t see). 0:56:16

  A meal could be sufficient. That doesn’t mean that’s the only food I ate. · sola scriptura, sufficiency, Torah, Second Nicaea, Trinity, icon veneration, anathema

• Eucharist and typology cascade in the Torah — Melchizedek’s bread and wine, God eating with Abraham at Mamre, Christ proving the resurrection by eating, ‘that rock was Christ,’ the Passover lamb, the tree sweetening bitter waters, Moses’ arms vs. Amalek, the bronze serpent — the dogmas are latent in the Torah/OT. 1:00:32 · Eucharist, Melchizedek, typology, Torah, resurrection
• Epistle of Barnabas and Matthew’s passion share the Day of Atonement typology — Barnabas reads Leviticus 16 (Day of Atonement) typologically of Christ, doing what Matthew does in the passion (scarlet thread/robe, reed, spitting, driving out the goat) with shared Greek words. So ‘His blood be on us and on our children’ invokes the Day of Atonement / covenant renewal — unintentional prophecy, like Caiaphas. 1:03:11 · Epistle of Barnabas, Day of Atonement, Leviticus 16, Matthew, scapegoat, unintentional prophecy
• Patristic interpretation is not substitutionary — The Fathers don’t interpret Scripture so that you don’t have to; they show you HOW to read, interpret, and apply it — the handed-down method. 1:08:23

  They’re not interpreting it so that you don’t have to. They’re showing you how to. · church fathers, method, tradition, interpretation

• Sola scriptura rests on a defective early-modern epistemology — Sola scriptura presumes the text is a ‘brute fact’ received uninterpreted, but you never receive anything uninterpreted (even in Greek/Hebrew — every lexicon is interpretive). It posits an infallible rule to which there is no infallible access. Van Til knew this. 1:09:12

  They’re positing an infallible rule that there is no infallible access to. · sola scriptura, epistemology, brute fact, Van Til, Hegel

• Sola scriptura collapses into solo scriptura — Everyone reading Scripture is taking a reading of it. ‘Secondary standards’ never actually function as authority — Fathers are quoted when they agree and ignored when they don’t (a Platonist Bible-vs-everything metaphysics). 1:14:20 · sola scriptura, solo scriptura, secondary standards, authority
• The canon is messy — not just which books but which version — Nehemiah: Josephus and the Fathers use 1 Esdras, not Hebrew Ezra-Nehemiah. Esther: Melito lacks it; Clement of Rome uses the longer Septuagint recension. Daniel: the Orthodox Holy Saturday reading is Theodotion, translated by a non-Christian Jew in the 2nd c. AD. 1:17:33

  The version of Daniel we read liturgically on Holy Saturday was translated by a non-Christian Jew in the 2nd century AD. Let that sink in. · canon, 1 Esdras, Nehemiah, Esther, Daniel, Theodotion, Septuagint, Clement of Rome

• The texts can’t resolve themselves; the Spirit works through authority over time — Jerome: authorities (councils/bishops) chose which text to read publicly. Borrowing Michael Kruger — the same Spirit who inspired Scripture led the Church to recognize it; FDY extends the logic to the Ecumenical Councils. 1:22:02 · canon, Jerome, Michael Kruger, Holy Spirit, ecumenical councils
• Why submit to the Church: not atheist-style proof, but where salvation happens — Too often we argue ‘as if we’re all atheists,’ marshalling historical proofs. The real reason to accept the Church’s reading is that the Church is where people repent, are reconciled, find salvation, and encounter Christ. Identify where that is, and submit. 1:23:37

  We’re arguing as if we’re all atheists… The reason to accept the church’s way of reading is that the church is the place where people are encountering Christ. · authority, ecclesiology, salvation, apologetics, epistemology

• Becoming a Christian: shaped by the assembly, not an individual experience — The Protestant paradigm (an individual experience/sinner’s prayer, then shopping for an agreeable congregation and leaving on disagreement) is exactly backwards. You become a Christian by entering the assembly and being discipled and transformed by it. (From a Gavin Ortlund conversation.) 1:29:28

  The sinner’s prayer, which is like the evangelical shahada. · ecclesiology, conversion, Gavin Ortlund, Protestantism, transformation

• Critique of the Orthodox Study Bible — It keeps non-canonical Nehemiah, prints Esther and part of Nehemiah twice (1 Esdras + Ezra-Nehemiah from Rahlfs), and uses the NKJV for the NT only because Thomas Nelson owns/distributes it — with notes constantly correcting the NKJV back to the Greek. Study Bibles are tools, not binding. 1:36:10 · Orthodox Study Bible, canon, NKJV, Rahlfs, 1 Esdras
• James White debate framing — FDY is granting sola scriptura for the sake of argument and intends to argue the atonement from the Greek New Testament. 1:41:41 · James White, debate, atonement, sola scriptura
• Luke 2:2 / Quirinius census is not a real contradiction — ‘Syria’ was a region, not the modern country or a single province (it reached into Asia Minor, the Levant, Lebanon, W. Iraq — Coele-Syria). Ancient dating is insecure: no Pilate inscription until ~35 yrs ago; Egyptian chronology recently shifted a century. Herod’s death re-dated 4 BC to 1 BC, so Christ’s birth is now put at 3 BC (fitting Passover on a Sabbath in AD 30). 1:47:23 · Luke 2:2, Quirinius, census, Herod, chronology, nativity, Syria
• St. Paul was genuinely Pharisaic and Jewish — Against James Tabor (‘Paul hijacked/de-Judaized the Jesus movement’) and the reverse German view (Paul the villain who Judaized it), Paul’s Pharisaic training under Gamaliel is real and his epistles are more intelligible from a Jewish standpoint. Opponents inherit Luther’s reading of ‘works of the law.’ Commends Matthew Thomas’s book. 1:55:43 · St. Paul, Pharisee, works of the law, James Tabor, Luther, Gamaliel, Matthew Thomas
• ‘Apocrypha’ means privately read, not hidden or banned — Based on Nikephoros the Confessor’s early-9th-c. canon list (public to all / public to some / good to read privately), ‘apocrypha’ means ‘[read] privately’ — not hidden, secret, or banned from the Bible. 2:04:23

  That ‘privately’ is where the word Apocrypha comes from. It doesn’t mean hidden or secret or banned from the Bible. It just means privately. · apocrypha, canon, Nikephoros the Confessor, books

• Judge Holden (Blood Meridian) is a ‘modern Nephilim’ — FDY doesn’t think Judge Holden is a spiritual being; he reads him as a ‘modern Nephilim’ — a human completely gone over, totally demonic in aspect. 2:05:58 · Blood Meridian, Judge Holden, Nephilim, demonic, literature
• Orthodox-Catholic unity against Protestantism — Set aside filioque and papal supremacy (unresolvable now) to defend what united East and West for the first millennium against attacks on the intercession of the saints, the Theotokos, and the revival of Pelagianism. Distinguish Magisterial from Radical Reformation, and confessional Protestantism from American Evangelicalism (‘the Walmartization of something resembling Christianity’). 2:14:51

  American Evangelicalism… that is the Walmartization of something resembling Christianity. · ecumenism, Catholic, filioque, Theotokos, Pelagianism, Reformation, evangelicalism